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    Default Vip Education 101

    For those that doesn't know a lot about the vip tuning scene. Use this thread to educate yourself about vip.

    HISTORY

    From Wikipedia:

    VIP Style modifications and history have often been linked to the yakuza. It is claimed that VIP Style came to be due to the risk of gangsters riding around in high-profile European sedans like the Mercedes S-Class or BMW M-Series. The attention could either bring about police action or retaliation from rival gangs. By using Japan domestic market cars with modifications associated with the creation of limousines, gangsters could avoid detection by the police and rival gangs.[1]

    Both Osaka street racers and Kanto area Bosozoku gangs adopted VIP Style in different ways. Osaka street racers, after suffering numerous police crackdowns on the Hanshin Expressway in the early 1990's, turned to sedans after police targeted sport compacts as a way to cruise while remaining incognito. Many design cues were taken from Mercedes-AMG cars. Kanto area bosozoku gangs took a somewhat different approach, by modifying sedans with cut coils and mufflers and were often bold and loud. They also drove recklessly, such as causing traffic jams and avoiding paying tolls. To mimic their yakuza counterparts, "Bos Bippus" used large black sedans.[2]

    Automotive enthusiasts adapted beyond luxury sedans, utilizing minivans and Kei cars. One advantage presented to enthusiasts is that such modifications can make a car luxurious without being expensive.

    Cars associated with VIP Style usually have common characteristics; usually large diameter rims (usually broad faced designs) with low offsets that sit flush with the fender, exhausts that stick out past the rear bumper (although not so much emphasized these days), a full bodykit or lip kit, glossy paint and a lowered ride height (usually with air ride or coilovers). It is not uncommon to see extreme negative camber on many vip cars. Traditional colors of VIP Style cars are usually black, white, grey and silver.

    Most VIP Style cars are Japanese luxury cars like the Nissan President, the Toyota Celsior, the Toyota Aristo, and the Nissan Laurel, although many European cars are also known to be modified in such ways (most of them German luxury sedans such as the Mercedes S-Class). As automotive enthusiasts began to do their own versions of bippu, everything from minivans like the Toyota Estima and Honda Odyssey, to keicars like the Suzuki Cappucino and Toyota bB have received similar modifications.

    United States enthusiasts use USDM equivalents, such as the Lexus GS and LS series and Infiniti Q45.

    From Vipstylecars' forum:

    VIP Style or VIP car is very simple. Pronounced VIP or bippu not vee-eye-pee, like how we are used to saying it, but it is pronounced like a word. In Japan there is a large variety of luxury sedans available to purchase. VIP car starts with just that, the platform or the car. It’s not a VIP Car unless it starts with one of these cars. From Toyota, you have the Century, Celsior, Aristo, Crown, and Majesta. From Nissan you have the President, Cima, Gloria, Cedric, and the Q45. Then they take these platforms and merge on a massive body kit, larger rims that push the boundaries of offset fitment, an air suspension so that they can drive as low as they possibly can, and we can't forget about the exhausts that goes on these VIP Cars. Now, taking these aspects of a VIP Car, you then apply it to cars not accepted as a VIP Car. This in turn created a term I like to define as VIP Style Cars. There is a difference in Japan in regards to a VIP Car and lets say a K-Car or Style Wagon. All those styles bring up similar aspects of VIP Car but what makes a VIP Car “VIP” is the car itself. Taking the aspects that was started in Japan with the VIP Cars and merging them onto cars that aren't really considered VIP car platforms. You now see K-cars (Vitz, Scion, and other econo-box cars), vans (Oddessy and Previas) and many other vehicles (G35, IS300, 300Zs) with a heavy VIP Style influence. That also has trickled into our US market with the Scions xA and xB. European cars can fall within the “definition of a VIP car” but isn't as popular of a platform mainly because of an untold requirement. VIP Car has a sense of pride within the Japanese community on its luxury vehicles. However, I am now seeing shows like the Tokyo Special Import Car Show similar to Tokyo Auto Salon now being invaded by Junction Produce, Fabulous, and Auto Couture. When they build their car, they immense themselves in the culture of VIP Car… Noburi Flags, clothing, and getting EVERY accessory that the company made like lighters, teddy bears, fans, and other things.

    Fitment of the wheels has always been the largest, most defining aspect that the US market uses for VIP Cars. This also brings the most controversy as well. The most heated debates on VIPStyleCars.com came from topics concerning cars and wheel fitments. We had terms like, if it ain't flush, it ain't VIP. I agree that proper fitment is the key to making a VIP Car look good, however my whole take on it… the car determines if it's a VIP car, not the wheel choice. When I had the chance to visit Japan recently, I saw VIP cars that didn't have the extreme wheel lip that we are so used to seeing here. Yes, the offsets were extremely aggressive however; they were still flat-faced wheels with no lip whatsoever. I just don't think it looks right unless the fitment was aggressive in my opinion, which is the reason I'm personally on a quest for new wheels for our GS400.

    Next is the suspension, Air suspensions have become the norm. One main reason is the fact that some of these VIP cars come with a factory installed air suspension already. All that needed to be added to control this factory option was an Air controller like one from Data Systems. This gave you the chance to lower and raise your car without changing any suspension parts. This didn't bring the car down as low as we would like it to be, so then we went and looked up companies like Air Runner, Bold World, Universal Air, Canover, and many others. You had a choice of either a canister setup or the sleeve bag on a shock option. That way, you were able to just lay the frame on the car down on the ground and still be able to drive away when its time to go. Trust me, in Japan, their roads and driveways weren't pretty, how they drove these cars around on a daily basis boggles me… Coilovers are still VERY popular for the hardcore, cause they are still able to find the height that they want for driving and show purposes and costs less than half the price of air suspension set-ups. Hydraulic setups are now being touched upon by the likes of Tein to control their coilovers and be able to raise and lower the car from within the cabin. This is only available to wagons and vans from when I last looked into it, but I'm sure now, there might be more applications and companies venturing into this.

    Interiors and sound systems of these cars can get very Gotti. Wood grain and screens are the first most obvious mods on the interior. You will see Wood grain trays on these cars. Screens for Navigation and of course, Video viewing is dominant. The sound systems I saw were very elaborate like the ones were see here in CES. One some cars, I saw wood grain all over the trunk to accent the subs that were stuffed in there.

    Lastly, the body kits… Companies like Fabulous, Junction Produce, Wald, Veilside, Sessions, Auto Couture, Insurance, and many others offer a variety of styles to choose from. The defining factor is the size of these kits. They are never “puny” but more an elaboration of the factory lines. You can choose from the more milder, cleaner look like from Junction Produce, Admiration and Auto Couture. Then you can choose the aggressive lines like Fabulous, LA club, and Veilside. Then the EXTREME VIP Cars will come out with custom wide bodies and fender flares that will just make you take a double take more than once (even if that's not possible). Taking a cue from the wheels aspect of it, they then take the most widest wheel with the most aggressive offset possible and just bolt those onto the car with no problems.

    Where does this all fit into the US market? With companies whose operations are based here are now trying to define the VIP market as Bentleys, Benzes, and other high end Euro cars, it basically leaves out the cars where it all began with for me, The Lexus GS and LS, and the Infiniti M and Q series. Yes, the US automobile market may not have the choice of Japanese luxury cars found in Japan but we make do with what we are provided. However the view of VIP Car or VIP Style Cars is being EXTREMELY skewed in the US and leaves the hardcore VIP Car enthusiast with a sour taste in its mouth. VIP Car starts with the platform first. 350Zs, G35s, Scions, Accords, and other cars are defining the VIP Style Car… VIP Style Cars was mainly a term devised to help define the difference from a VIP Car platform and a car accessorized with VIP styling. This website has room for everyone. I created this site for the reason to give these people a home to learn and educate each other. Whether you own a VIP Car or own a VIP Style Car… Yes, we will have to define our own definition of VIP Style Cars but we can't stray too far from the foundation of it all. There will be those of us who will stick to our VIP Car platforms and those who will decide that their Scion fits the platform as well. Both sides are correct in that matter. What is wrong is to decide that our VIP Car platforms are not acceptable platforms.

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    VIP PLATFORMS:

    TOYOTA CENTURY:

    VG40/VG45



    GZG50



    TOYOTA CELSIOR

    UCF10/11





    UCF20/21






    UCF30/31





    TOYOTA ARISTO

    JZS147



    JZS160/161





    TOYOTA MAJESTA

    UZS141/JZS149



    UZS151/JZS155



    UZS171/JZS177





    TOYOTA CROWN

    MS137/UZS131



    JZS141/145





    JZS151/155





    JZS171/175





    JZS171W/175W





    NISSAN PRESIDENT

    JHG50/PHG50





    PGF50



    INFINITY Q45

    HG50





    NISSAN CIMA

    Y31



    Y32



    Y33



    F50





    NISSAN CEDRIC/GLORIA

    Y31



    Y32



    Y33







    Y34







    NISSAN FUGA

    Y50



    *all images are credited to Junction Produce*
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    Awsome info man!!
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    GREAT write-up!
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    Nice post...i read all that way back...before i got the car. Nice post for new learners. good info!

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    Thanx guys, I'll try to continue adding more and more information on here. If you guys have any useful information, please feel free to post and help educate other people on this tuning style so that it is not confused with other styles.

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    did you combine both your posts with pics together? lol.. and also, those cars arent american are they cause the model names dont sound familiar? lol sorry but i want to clear that up, they are our lexus's and infiniti's right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick_MTA View Post
    did you combine both your posts with pics together? lol.. and also, those cars arent american are they cause the model names dont sound familiar? lol sorry but i want to clear that up, they are our lexus's and infiniti's right?
    Yeah, I went ahead and combined both the posts to make things easier for people.

    There are only 4 true vip platforms available in the United States:

    Toyota Aristo = Lexus GS300/400

    Toyota Celsior = Lexus LS400

    Nissan Gloria/Cedric = Infinity M45

    Nissan Q45


    The other cars are not available in the US......unless, you figure out a way to import them

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    Here is an interesting quote from Junction Produce founder, Takahiro Taketomi, regarding vip tuning in the US:



    From reading this article though, please do not be mistaken with the idea that any car can be a vip platform, there is still a standard out there for what is a true vip platform and what isn't. I think Falken just term the phrase "autoluxury" for all the non-vip platform cars that still follow the vip tuning queues.

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    good info...

    Civics, sentras, donks, and geo's need not try and mimic "VIP" styling!

    But Most lexus/infinit models have potential... even the odd ES300 gets love sometimes..
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    great info bro, just what we needed. I want to give credit to the Section Eight crew for bringing alot of the VIP info onto INC a while back. I hope Tim and Wes will help contribute even more info into this section.

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    ehhhh.... function over form.... but vip makes for nice DDs and baller cars.. i just HATE when i see VIP s chassis.. eeek
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    This should be stickied...

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    very interesting read. one thing that amazes me is the negative camber on these cars. i really dont see how some on them get tire to the ground. it amazes me. i look forward to learning more on these platforms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTSgobyu View Post
    very interesting read. one thing that amazes me is the negative camber on these cars. i really dont see how some on them get tire to the ground. it amazes me. i look forward to learning more on these platforms.
    haha, yeah, there's an on-going thread on the vip forum that I am on that has people talking about how quickly their tires go out with negative camber. They normally get like 4-5 months on them, and they're usually pretty expensive too because most of them have 19" and up size wheels. I just can't roll like that, they're too baller for me. But the thing to keep in mind is that, if you're gonna do negative camber, you need to have a good alignment with the correct toe settings. Having the wrong toe settings will wear out your tires faster than the negative camber. Also, definitely get lower control arms.

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    4-5 months is just not an options man. LOL How much I would love to go that far, I just cant bring myself to be buying expensive tires when I could be paying rent. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ((sr)) kelly View Post
    ehhhh.... function over form.... but vip makes for nice DDs and baller cars.. i just HATE when i see VIP s chassis.. eeek
    I agree. S chassis VIP cars are kinda ewww. Some are ok though.
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    awww i didnt see nissan leopard a.k.a infiniti M30 . a.k.a Nissan J30 (which J30 body style in japan considered a woman's car) but not the nissan leopard that shares infiniti m30 body style

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    Quote Originally Posted by IWINULUZ View Post
    awww i didnt see nissan leopard a.k.a infiniti M30 . a.k.a Nissan J30 (which J30 body style in japan considered a woman's car) but not the nissan leopard that shares infiniti m30 body style
    Well, it's not on there because it's a coupe. A standard for most vip platform is that it's a 4-door. From what I just found out about them, they were pretty crappy cars I am assuming. Stock weight for them was 3333 lbs, and it had a V6 motor that only made 162hp. It's the least produced Nissan, making it also the rarest Nissan. But that's mainly due to weak sales because the car had horrible power, weak suspension, and a lack of features. However, the M30 was later replaced by the J30. It's a totally different car with a totally different chassis (Y32). the J30 was called the Leopard J. Ferie in Japan, so people just called it the Nissan Leopard. But the two cars are not the same.

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