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    1st off, do you believe in such a thing and what car(s) would you consider as such?

    The topic started with the resurgence of the "Pony" car with the Camaro just being released. I made the comment that I would've traded my car for the Camaro and the comment was made that the Z33 & Z34 are Muscle cars themselves. I think the Z-Car, RX-7 & the Supra are "Japanese Sports Cars"
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    I dont think their is a japanese car that i would consider a "muscle car". LOL ill never go up to a camaro owner and say "hey man, i like your muscle car u like mine?" LOL, nah.

    Maybe a GTR but still no

    It's either a muscle car or not

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    the term "Muscle car" pretty much sums up the era of late mid 60s to early 70s american cars which had massive engines. Althought the term is losely used nowadays since our era of "power" has come back.. I see it as being a car with a big engine and lots of power hence the term Muscle.

    I don't really think Japanese cars would fall under this catagoery. Although the Nissan Z, rx7, Supra are all classics in their own way. With plenty of history and heritage. Even though the number of cylinders don't add up to what would be considered "muscle" they are definately " sports cars"
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    Some of the early GTR's look like muscle cars of the 70's.
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    To me a muscle car is big stupid power so no not Japanese cars as they are pretty technologically advanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCCAFan View Post
    To me a muscle car is big stupid power so no not Japanese cars as they are pretty technologically advanced.
    The new "pony" cars are considered muscle cars and are as technologically advanced as their Japanese counterparts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    Some of the early GTR's look like muscle cars of the 70's.
    talking about the r32? .. boy i love those cars..



    the fb (first gen) rx7s can look pretty damn good done right also.. they def bring the muscle car flavor



    first gen supra... ummm FAIL



    THANKFULLY they fixxed it later down the road..


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    I still can't believe that car was designed in 1969.. talk about a CLASSIC.. so beautiful.. If i had to choose a japanese muscle car this would be it!..

    But really.. japanese cars arn't "muscle cars" because its not their style..

    THe same way 100k dollar corvette zr1 may be fast and shit and look good as hell but you don't call it an exotic like you would a eurpean car.
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    I guess if you wanna say "Japanese muscle cars," I tend to think of all the RWD cars with decent power. Z cars (all years), RX7s, Supras, 3000GT VR4, etc. I guess you can throw the DSMs in there too but I always think RWD and/or twin turbo engines.

    It's not like it's trying to put a 69 camaro and a supra into the same category. It's the Japanese version of a muscle car. Kinda like the Cobalt SS and SRT4 are examples of American "rice rockets." (or whatever the hell import hating muscle car guys call everything Japanese these days)


    I bet this thread gets stupid and out of hand with bench racing and bullshit before long.

    Basically, a muscle car from any country can be whatever the country has as a "heavy hitter." Exact opposite of a prius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    The new "pony" cars are considered muscle cars and are as technologically advanced as their Japanese counterparts.
    I disagree on them being as advanced.
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    I would say that there has never been a Japanese muscle car made. A car has to at least have 8 cylinders for me to even entertain the idea to argue that it's a muscle car.
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    A car has to at least have 8 cylinders for me to even entertain the idea to argue that it's a muscle car.
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    Would you call a zr1 an exotic? NO

    would you call an r8 an exotic? probably


    even though they cost around the same.. both of em look damn good.. ect ect.. its just the style and background that makes it fit into that "muscle car" catagoery... its just a word.. it can mean different things to different people.. to most people it just means american v8 .................. because basically thats where the term came from
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    V8 doesn't make a car a muscle car. Muscle is in reference to power. There have been some powerful Japanese cars. With American made stuff, it's all about engine size. Of course they wouldn't have made a twin turbo V6 Chevelle. But I'm sure it would have still been a muscle car, had they taken that route.

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    Muscle car is a term used to refer to a variety of high performance automobiles.[1][2] At its most widely accepted the term refers to American 2-door rear wheel drive mid-size cars of the late 1960s and early 1970s equipped with large, powerful V8s and sold at an affordable price for street use and drag racing, formally and informally

    Though the notion of a muscle car as an American two-door with a big engine sold at an affordable price for street and drag racing is generally held, there is much blurring around its edges.

    According to a contemporary issue of Road Test magazine (June 1967), a "muscle car" is "Exactly what the name implies. It is a product of the American car industry adhering to the hot rodder's philosophy of taking a small car and putting a BIG engine in it [...] The Muscle Car is Charles Atlas kicking sand in the face of the 98 hp (73 kW) weakling."[7] Author of the book Muscle Cars the quote is drawn from, Peter Henshaw, furthers that the muscle car was designed for straight-line speed, and did not have the "sophisticated chassis", "engineering integrity" or "lithe appearance" of European high-performance cars[7]

    Opinions vary as to whether high-performance full-size cars, compacts, and pony cars qualify as muscle cars

    Motor Trend identified the following models as "musclecars" in 1965:

    1962–1965 Dodge Dart 413/426 Max Wedge/426 Hemi]]/[[Plymouth Fury 413/426 Max Wedge/426 Hemi
    1964–1965 Ford Thunderbolt 427
    1965–1969 Buick Skylark Gran Sport
    1965–1970 Dodge Coronet/Plymouth Belvedere 426-S
    1965 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu SS
    1965–1967 Oldsmobile Cutlass 442
    Road & Track identified the following models as "musclecars" in 1965:

    1964–1965 Pontiac Tempest Le Mans/GTO
    1965–1975 Buick Riviera Gran Sport
    1965–1969 Buick Skylark Gran Sport
    1965–1970 Dodge Coronet/Plymouth Belvedere 426-S
    1965 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu SS
    1965–1967 Oldsmobile 442|Oldsmobile Cutlass 442
    Car and Driver also created a list of the 10 Best muscle cars for its January 1990 issue. The magazine focused on the engines and included:

    1966–1967 Plymouth/Dodge intermediates with 426 Hemi
    1968–1969 Plymouth/Dodge intermediates with 426 Hemi
    1970–1971 Plymouth/Dodge intermediates with 426 Hemi
    1966–1967 Chevy II SS327
    1966–1969 Chevrolet Chevelle SS396
    1968–1969 Chevy II Nova SS396
    1969 Ford Torino Cobra 428
    1969 Plymouth Road Runner/Dodge Super Bee 440 Six Pack
    1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS454
    1969 Pontiac GTO
    Other muscle cars include the following:

    Mid-size muscle models

    1970–1971 AMC Rebel and Matador The Machine[45][46]
    1970–1974 Buick GSX
    1965–1973 Chevrolet Chevelle SS
    1966–1974 Dodge Charger
    1968–1971 Dodge Super Bee
    1969 Dodge Charger Daytona[47]
    1966–1969 Ford Fairlane GT, GTA, and Cobra
    1968–1974 Ford Torino (GT, Cobra, and Talladega)
    1966-1972 Mercury Cyclone
    1970-1971 Mercury Montego
    1968–1971 Oldsmobile 442
    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "Ram-Rod" 350
    1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31
    1967–1971 Plymouth GTX
    1968–1974 Plymouth Road Runner[47]
    1970 Plymouth Superbird
    1964–1974 Pontiac GTO
    Compact muscle models

    1969 AMC SC/Rambler
    1971 AMC Hornet SC 360
    1963–1974 Chevrolet Nova SS
    1968–1976 Dodge Dart GT, GTS, Swinger, and Demon
    1970–1976 Plymouth Duster
    Pony car muscle models

    1968–1970 AMC AMX
    1968-1974 AMC Javelin and AMX
    1967-1981 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 & SS
    1970–1974 Dodge Challenger
    1965-1969 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500
    1968-1971 Mustang Cobra Jet
    1969-1973 Mustang Mach 1
    1969-1970 Boss 302 Mustang
    1969-1970 Mustang Boss 429
    1971 Mustang Boss 351
    1969-1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator
    1964–1974 Plymouth Barracuda
    1967-1979 Pontiac Firebird & Trans Am
    the term "muscle car" was used to describe the american v8s that were good for only going in a straight line with their massive v8s .. thats where the term derived from.. although over time people can perseive it as how they like.
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    First, what I have to say is more important than what anybody else has to say. Agree to that.

    Ok, let's think (well you think because I would have already thunk) about the image we get when we hear "muscle car!"

    Old mid 60's - mid 70's American cars. They were small frames (relative to the land barges of the time) with huge engine stuffed into them. They had brutal power and torque and has this look to them.

    The were made of steel, the engines of iron, and had the presence of an MMA fighter amongst pencil pushers. RAW!

    They weren't the hot-rods( rat-rods) of the era before them. These things came from the factory ready to rape.

    They weren't bogged down by some shit called "emissions" and lead was there beverage of choice.

    These things were fucking killers.

    Then along came 1973, the advent of the SUV, the forsaking of American quality in cars, and a couple of other things that lead to shit like the 3rd gen Camaro (and friends).

    That was the end of the muscle car story. After that, their descendants became nothing more than half-assed wanna be sports cars.

    Ok. At this point we have to relate the American Muscle Car to this probable entity called a Japanese Muscle Car.

    To make a long story short, FUCK NO!

    It doesn't exist and never did.

    Muscle car styling, sure maybe. The S30, TA27, Ken & Meri, yea. Those had styling but lacked the brute that made a muscle car what it is.

    To metephorize it: You can't call Samurai a Japanese Spartan*. ((Viking, Gladiator or whatever ancient Eurobeast you favor).


    Z3X, BNRX, FX3X, VR4, EVO, STi? FUUUUUUUUUCK NO they aren't. They are either sports cars or budget sports cars or budget super cars.

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    V8 doesn't make a car a muscle car. Muscle is in reference to power. There have been some powerful Japanese cars. With American made stuff, it's all about engine size. Of course they wouldn't have made a twin turbo V6 Chevelle. But I'm sure it would have still been a muscle car, had they taken that route.

    I agree fully. Any "Muscle Car" guy would beat the shit out of prudence and pronounce a GNX a "mussa cah"

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